Chinese newcomers sending infants home: report
Chinese newcomers sending infants home: report
Updated Tue. Jan. 2 2007 8:41 AM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Financial burdens are forcing hundreds of recent Chinese immigrants to send their infants back home to spend their early years with relatives, according to a newspaper report.
Social workers in Toronto's Chinese community say the immigrants are separated from their own children despite the fact that, ironically, they thought Canada would be the right place to raise their little ones, The Globe and Mail reported on Tuesday.
Difficulties finding employment in their professional fields as well as unaffordable daycare is forcing Chinese newcomers to send their children back home, a trend that experts are calling "transitional parenting."
This troubling pattern may help explain a recent drop in immigration applications from China.
"We discovered dozens of professional immigrants from mainland China were doing this because they all asked us how to get passports for their babies," Florence Wong, a social worker with St. Stephen's Community House in Toronto, told The Globe.
In 2002, Wong conducted a study of Chinese immigrants in five prenatal programs.
The study shows 70 per cent of the women planned to send their children back to China to be raised by relatives.
Wong's findings were bolstered by observations from social workers in Scarborough, Ont.
The Toronto social worker has since produced a documentary that features several Chinese newcomers who sent their children back home. She screens the film for recent immigrants in an attempt to convince them to keep their children here.
But word has already trickled back to China that professionals may find difficulties finding jobs in their field and are forced instead to work in minimum-wage jobs to make ends meet.
A spokesperson for Citizenship and Immigration said the department is aware that foreign professionals face difficulties getting their credentials recognized in Canada.
Marina Wilson told The Globe that the department is also setting up a portal on a website so that potential immigrants can assess themselves before they decide to make the move.
The number of immigrants applications from China to Canada has dropped dramatically in recent years.
In 2006, Canada's mission in Beijing processed some 19,000 applications, compared with a high of some 40,000 in 2004.
The number of applicants from Hong Kong has also seen a decrease, with about 32,000 last year, down from about 47,000 in 2004.
Meanwhile, the number of newcomers from India is on the rise, with 132,000 applicants in 2005, showing an increase from 2004 when some 88,000 were processed.
Personal Note:
What a shock the daycare advocates blame daycare on women sending their children back to their mothers. How many twists can this story get!
OK here is a few reasons,
One spouse cannot make enough to feed the family so they are both FORCED to work, which means sending their child away.
But the daycare advocates would rather you believe that means fund them so they can take the kid 12 hours a day. Personally I think if you funded the parents they could have their own choice of childcare and would not have to ship the kid half way across the world.
Has anyone asked why these mothers or fathers are giving up their children to their mothers half way across the world?
Funny the price of 2 kids going to china would be more expensive than bringing one grandma here to childcare.
I'd say more but I gotta run, kids bday tomorrow!
Think amongst yourselves here,,,,
why would they send their kids back to China, is it really the daycare?
Updated Tue. Jan. 2 2007 8:41 AM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Financial burdens are forcing hundreds of recent Chinese immigrants to send their infants back home to spend their early years with relatives, according to a newspaper report.
Social workers in Toronto's Chinese community say the immigrants are separated from their own children despite the fact that, ironically, they thought Canada would be the right place to raise their little ones, The Globe and Mail reported on Tuesday.
Difficulties finding employment in their professional fields as well as unaffordable daycare is forcing Chinese newcomers to send their children back home, a trend that experts are calling "transitional parenting."
This troubling pattern may help explain a recent drop in immigration applications from China.
"We discovered dozens of professional immigrants from mainland China were doing this because they all asked us how to get passports for their babies," Florence Wong, a social worker with St. Stephen's Community House in Toronto, told The Globe.
In 2002, Wong conducted a study of Chinese immigrants in five prenatal programs.
The study shows 70 per cent of the women planned to send their children back to China to be raised by relatives.
Wong's findings were bolstered by observations from social workers in Scarborough, Ont.
The Toronto social worker has since produced a documentary that features several Chinese newcomers who sent their children back home. She screens the film for recent immigrants in an attempt to convince them to keep their children here.
But word has already trickled back to China that professionals may find difficulties finding jobs in their field and are forced instead to work in minimum-wage jobs to make ends meet.
A spokesperson for Citizenship and Immigration said the department is aware that foreign professionals face difficulties getting their credentials recognized in Canada.
Marina Wilson told The Globe that the department is also setting up a portal on a website so that potential immigrants can assess themselves before they decide to make the move.
The number of immigrants applications from China to Canada has dropped dramatically in recent years.
In 2006, Canada's mission in Beijing processed some 19,000 applications, compared with a high of some 40,000 in 2004.
The number of applicants from Hong Kong has also seen a decrease, with about 32,000 last year, down from about 47,000 in 2004.
Meanwhile, the number of newcomers from India is on the rise, with 132,000 applicants in 2005, showing an increase from 2004 when some 88,000 were processed.
Personal Note:
What a shock the daycare advocates blame daycare on women sending their children back to their mothers. How many twists can this story get!
OK here is a few reasons,
One spouse cannot make enough to feed the family so they are both FORCED to work, which means sending their child away.
But the daycare advocates would rather you believe that means fund them so they can take the kid 12 hours a day. Personally I think if you funded the parents they could have their own choice of childcare and would not have to ship the kid half way across the world.
Has anyone asked why these mothers or fathers are giving up their children to their mothers half way across the world?
Funny the price of 2 kids going to china would be more expensive than bringing one grandma here to childcare.
I'd say more but I gotta run, kids bday tomorrow!
Think amongst yourselves here,,,,
why would they send their kids back to China, is it really the daycare?





20 Comments:
At 11:27 AM,
Anonymous said…
I believe the cost of living in China (excluding the largest cities) is much lower than most areas in Canada.
At 11:34 AM,
Marg said…
"But word has already trickled back to China that professionals may find difficulties finding jobs in their field and are forced instead to work in minimum-wage jobs to make ends meet."
This is the real problem, Sara. The child care problem is secondary to that.
A family cannot live on minimum wage with one wage-earner no matter how it is split. Nor can the second spouse afford to go to work and pay daycare on minimum wage.
At 11:46 AM,
Joanne (True Blue) said…
You can blame this on the previous government who sold immigrants a bill of goods - making promises that couldn't be kept - all for votes. Time for a reality check.
At 11:46 AM,
Anonymous said…
It's partially a cultural thing too. Chinese babies typically spend the first 6 mos to 1 year with the immediate family. A friend of mine whose wife is Chinese typically spends a year in China after giving birth.
At 12:40 PM,
Zac said…
You can blame this on the previous government who sold immigrants a bill of goods - making promises that couldn't be kept - all for votes. Time for a reality check.
Of course. Blame the Liberals. Where's the CPC immigrant success platform? Is it even on your radar? Please.
At 1:16 PM,
Anonymous said…
While these situations are tragic, they are hardly new. When my great-grandparents came to Canada, they left behind my grandmother (the youngest of their children). Their intention was to send for her once they were established, but WWII got in the way. While I don't know how common this was, it certainly wasn't unusual.
I think we are looking at an old problem through modern eyes. A couple of generations ago, no one would've blinked an eye over the situation. I highly doubt it's only the Chinese community that has to struggle with this, either. Immigration frequently meant the dividing of families, many of whom never saw each other again. It's one of the difficult choices people have to make when immigrating.
I don't think blaming the government - any government - does any good. I don't see immigrants having jobs, etc. as being their responsibility. I see the government's responsibility as fostering an economy that promotes job and business growth within the private sector. I do believe some things need to be changed, such as more professional credentials from other countries being recognised here, since in many cases it's that lack of acceptance of credentials that prevents immigrants from landing jobs in their professions, even when they are qualified and needed.
At 1:52 PM,
Charles said…
My wife and I were married in England and came back here to my home country and we soon found out that her 2 degrees and teaching certificate were almost worthless. For almost a year and a half she did a paper chase to have them approved by the Teachers College and Union (you can't apply until you are "landed"). Both of our college aged kids worked jobs instead of going to school because they were not "landed" the colleges wanted to charge about 25000 dollars combined per year,so their futures were delayed by the over one year waiting period. You may say that this is just a bunch of crying about minor setbacks but keep in mind my wife was the head of department in literacy and the boys already were accepted and set-up for school in Britain. It was the government of Canada agencies that said it is pretty smooth sailing to move to Canada. If you want to complain that this is just Liberal bashing then I would agree, but it is the Liberals that have been running the country for most of our history,and the 10 years before we decided to live in Canada.If you want further opinions on this issue ask your airport taxi driver what he did in his home country, everyone that I have met is an engineer or doctor or other highly skilled worker from some field we are desperately short of. They have moved here for a better life and ended up being what their father worked like a dog to make sure they wouldn't end up being (a taxi driver).
At 2:45 PM,
Joanne (True Blue) said…
The Conservative government is looking to streamline the process so that the credentials of doctors and lawyers can be recognized quicker. As Charles said, the Liberals have been pretty well running the country for the last decade and a bit (until recently). Let's be fair and honest regarding prospects ahead of time, so that immigrants don't think that this is the land of milk and honey. It's a great country, but I would suggest that the employment opportunities are going to the countries that the immigrants are leaving.
At 3:48 PM,
Jay said…
It definitely is sending them packing but the problem is that they need childcare if they move to a city, if they move elsewhere they do not.
The CPC doing anything to help foreign nationals get their credentials recognized is a f**king joke, we all know hot the CPC and its members feel about immigrants and everyone other white heterosexuals. I do believe the line is "taking our jobs". So, Joanne, you are being very stupid to buy that pile of C.R.A.P. (or should I say C.P.C.).
This is terrible because we need immigrants to keep our economy strong. Unfortunately mr. Harper doesn't seem to like the Chinese too much or any other country other than the US, UK, or Australia. Next thing you know Harper will be keeping all immigrants on an island off shore like his best buddy in Australia.
At 3:50 PM,
Jay said…
BTW:
HAPPY NEW YEAR SARA!!!!!
Hope you had/are having great holidays.
Cheers
At 6:25 PM,
Anonymous said…
Oh come on folks. How come we're not holding the immigrants up to taking responsibility for making a wrong choice to come to a country where they can't earn enough to pay for childcare? Also, the best news possible for the "left" is to attract more such immigrants who wish to be totally dependent on the system to care and educate their children. IMO sending the children back to their extended family is their choice and should be respected as such.
At 9:49 PM,
Joanne (True Blue) said…
..we all know hot the CPC and its members feel about immigrants and everyone other white heterosexuals. I do believe the line is "taking our jobs". So, Joanne, you are being very stupid to buy that pile of C.R.A.P. (or should I say C.P.C.)
Yeah, sure Jay. Yup, John Baird would definitely agree with you. No gross generalization there. Sheesh.
At 10:13 PM,
Anonymous said…
John Baird AND Jason Kenney blue babe
At 10:21 PM,
Sara said…
ok one by one here, and I've had a few drinks.
As you know I have inlaws here and my parents here for christmas so I well lets just say I needed to vent ok..
first THANK YOU JAY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU TOO DARLING<< AND EVERYONE ELSE. I can honestly say it was a great year and I hope for another for me and for you.
blue drew,
I believe you are right but parental rights there are not the same and poor is not welfare it is starving. I see why they come to Canada.
Marg,
I totally agree, but income splitting is a part of what I do. If you send me your email I will send you my full fund the child purposal and maybe you will understand where I am coming from... deal?
Anon 1,
I get the cultural thing but... did the paper have to blame it on the daycare funding?
Jo,
13 years is a long time to be told to shut up, but hey I'm the loudest stay at home mom there is lol.
Zac,
We didn't blame the NDP lol... no seriously it is easy to blame the old government because they were in reign for so long,, that is basically why. Honestly they are all the same unless the voters change them, and you darling are one of the good young voters!
Kunochi,
"While these situations are tragic, they are hardly new. When my great-grandparents came to Canada, they left behind my grandmother (the youngest of their children). Their intention was to send for her once they were established, but WWII got in the way. While I don't know how common this was, it certainly wasn't unusual.
I think we are looking at an old problem through modern eyes. "
We are more alike than you think, I think I love you!
Charles,
email me pls, I so agree with yoU!
Jay,
It definitely is sending them packing but the problem is that they need childcare if they move to a city, if they move elsewhere they do not.
Not true, the farmers need childcare too. Income splitting won't help them. They do need childcare rural and urban but they need to choose parents or daycare, and they can't do that if only one is funded..
anon 2,
Oh come on folks. How come we're not holding the immigrants up to taking responsibility for making a wrong choice to come to a country where they can't earn enough to pay for childcare?
Chinese didn't blame daycare, the news did. Blame the reporter for spinning it not the immigrants.
Jo,
I love John Baird, he was my MP in Nepean... he is the best no matter who he sleep with :)
At 7:16 AM,
Joanne (True Blue) said…
Yeah, John Baird is a good guy. I was referring to Jay's blanket dismissal of all conservatives as heterosexual WASPS.
BTW, check this out. Interesting perspective.
At 10:06 AM,
Anonymous said…
Sara,
Happy New Year!!!
I'll offer a twist to kunoichi's comment:
North America has created the nuclear family, and the rest of the family (grand-parents, uncles, aunts, cousins..) has drifted off the radar or family responsibilty except to show up at Chrismas for drinks and presents. In most of the rest of the world (not just Asia), and here too, 2 or 3 generations ago, children were raised by family, not just parents.
I'm sure they though about bringing grandma to Canada, before sending the kids back home, but it is probably difficult to nearly impossible and expensive, especially for Chinese immigrants. Other immigrants, with little or no visa restrictions (India) are not faced with this dilema as much.
Claire
At 3:33 PM,
Anonymous said…
"How come we're not holding the immigrants up to taking responsibility for making a wrong choice to come to a country where they can't earn enough to pay for childcare?"
^^^ That really depends on what information was given to them when they made that choice, and part of the responsibility lies with our immigration system who sell rosy futures in Canada.
They have taking responsibility for their children's care without goverment help, though not the ideal situation, but at least they (the immmigrants) are not the ones blaming the goverment directly for lack of cheap/free daycare, it is the journalists who are spinning this into "we are not giving these poor helpless immigrants subsidized daycare"
I would have rephrase the comment like this, so it would apply as much to white anglo-saxon conservative heterosexuals as immigrants:
"How come we're not holding the parents up to taking responsibility for making a wrong choice to have children in a country where they can't earn enough to pay for childcare?"
Claire
At 3:47 PM,
Sara said…
Claire,
Happy New Year to you too!
I'd like to add one thing to your statement though...
"How come we're not holding the immigrants up to taking responsibility for making a wrong choice to come to a country where they can't earn enough to pay for childcare?"
or even caring for their own kids, neither is affordable...
otherwise, I agree :)
At 6:49 PM,
Anonymous said…
Claire & Sara - If we all respect that choice is the right of all parents then the choice of Chinese parents must be respected, AND, based on knowledgable information. The crime of course is a gov't, ANY gov't that would lead immigrants on painting a glorified picture of state-run daycare and looking at no other options. Immigrants need to do their homework too. They must take responsibility for the choices they make also....including which country they come to and with what vision of success.
At 10:07 PM,
Anonymous said…
I wonder what sort of job this particular immigrant was looking for or qualified for? No one's asked that.
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